Season 31 Week 17 processing...

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

For all who missed it the hi-light got of last night’s zoom call was the ‘Bamford v Abraham who’s better’ debate. Although I think the correct answer was Danny Ings or maybe Callum Wilson.

Gents - same again in 2 weeks?

So harsh   - was just quoting the PL Scoring Charts...

1 Mohamed Salah
Liverpool 17
2 Bruno Fernandes
Manchester United 15
3 Harry Kane
Tottenham Hotspur 14
4 Son Heung-Min
Tottenham Hotspur 13
4 Patrick Bamford
Leeds United 13
4 Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Everton 13
7 Jamie Vardy
Leicester City 12
8 Ilkay Gündogan
Manchester City 11

Yawn.

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

Yawn.

La Liga top scorers this season ...........

Messi - 19
Suarez - 16
Moreno - 14
En-Nesyri - 13
Benzema - 12
Isak - 12
Oyarzabal - 10
Jose Luis Morales of Levante - 10 ................ he's not very good but having a great season but he's in the top 10 half way through the season. It's not even the end of the season.

In your defence, Abraham, Ings, Wilson and Antonio not on the Prem list.

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

gary@chelsea wrote:

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

Gaz, I’ll get Ben’s address for you.


Ben, can I get your address? Need it for a friend. Thanks.

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

Gaz, I’ll get Ben’s address for you.


Ben, can I get your address? Need it for a friend. Thanks.

I have faith in him and Suarez to lead things at Plymouth next season - 29 real life goals this season combined already...

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

Gaz, I’ll get Ben’s address for you.


Ben, can I get your address? Need it for a friend. Thanks.

I have faith in him and Suarez to lead things at Plymouth next season - 29 real life goals this season combined already...

Is that nose getting browner?

gary@chelsea wrote:

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

I'm going to join this conversation rather late, but I have two things that i want to say.
1. What about Ollie Watkins?
2. I think that there are way too many "World Class" (99 99) players in the game (Ooo controversial).
To be world class I believe a player should (in real life) be playing the majority of the games of his top five league team and be the first name on his country's team sheet (injuries and suspensions permitting) Discuss! 

Dave has thrown the cat among the ...... normally pigeons but I'm going with clowns in our case.

Point 2 - this was the crux of our discussion. Can a regular for Sheffield United be compared to a regular for Man City? 

Top 5 team in a top league I agree with but I give you the case of France who have about 300 great CBs. Laporte is world class in my opinion BUT has no French caps and he'll be 27 in May so there needs to be some leeway. You get outliers from random countries as well, mostly African and smaller countries where you get a brilliant individuals from a rubbish national team - Weah and Liberia, Aubameyang - Gabon, Gareth McAuley and Northern Ireland ................




First one to call me out on Super G wins. Although his goal against Ukraine in the 2016 Euros was my happiest moment ever at a football match.

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

Dave has thrown the cat among the ...... normally pigeons but I'm going with clowns in our case.

Point 2 - this was the crux of our discussion. Can a regular for Sheffield United be compared to a regular for Man City? 

Top 5 team in a top league I agree with but I give you the case of France who have about 300 great CBs. Laporte is world class in my opinion BUT has no French caps and he'll be 27 in May so there needs to be some leeway. You get outliers from random countries as well, mostly African and smaller countries where you get a brilliant individuals from a rubbish national team - Weah and Liberia, Aubameyang - Gabon, Gareth McAuley and Northern Ireland ................

First one to call me out on Super G wins. Although his goal against Ukraine in the 2016 Euros was my happiest moment ever at a football match.

I think that a players Rating (9999) doesn't necessarily give a indication if the player is better I feel TS is a truer reflection of ability? 
However, there is many reasons why a player might be rated differently... Back to France again, Benzema hasn't played in nearly 6 years (Black mailing your team mates with a Sex video probably isn't best way to build team morale!) But Giroud has over 100 Caps, does that make Giroud better then Benzema who has won ample of trophies with Real Madrid and led the line for a decade? 

Also, if you look at the premier league table so far this season, it would indicate that West Ham have some of the best players in the league...  ( Sorry Any Hammers Fans haha ) 
Also Leeds are 11th.... sorry Ben   

I believe Current PTCR system is working really well I for one have players with high PT (Veron, Hudson Odoi) who can't fully access all skills but can show glimpses in matches... so I have to be careful not to overload the team with youngsters otherwise will lose consistency.. players are very complex, love, nature, cuddles, perks, new Aston Martins!

Dave@Villa wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

I'm going to join this conversation rather late, but I have two things that i want to say.
1. What about Ollie Watkins?
2. I think that there are way too many "World Class" (99 99) players in the game (Ooo controversial).
To be world class I believe a player should (in real life) be playing the majority of the games of his top five league team and be the first name on his country's team sheet (injuries and suspensions permitting) Discuss! 

For me, I think the issue with International teams is that there are only limited number of positions available and also relies on a player being suited for particular systems.

So a great example would be France where there are a huge amount of great CBs but only 2 positions - some of those would walk into other International sides...

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

Dave has thrown the cat among the ...... normally pigeons but I'm going with clowns in our case.

Point 2 - this was the crux of our discussion. Can a regular for Sheffield United be compared to a regular for Man City? 

Top 5 team in a top league I agree with but I give you the case of France who have about 300 great CBs. Laporte is world class in my opinion BUT has no French caps and he'll be 27 in May so there needs to be some leeway. You get outliers from random countries as well, mostly African and smaller countries where you get a brilliant individuals from a rubbish national team - Weah and Liberia, Aubameyang - Gabon, Gareth McAuley and Northern Ireland ................




First one to call me out on Super G wins. Although his goal against Ukraine in the 2016 Euros was my happiest moment ever at a football match.

Woah, what you bringing my players into it for?

Phil@Watford wrote:

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

Dave has thrown the cat among the ...... normally pigeons but I'm going with clowns in our case.

Point 2 - this was the crux of our discussion. Can a regular for Sheffield United be compared to a regular for Man City? 

Top 5 team in a top league I agree with but I give you the case of France who have about 300 great CBs. Laporte is world class in my opinion BUT has no French caps and he'll be 27 in May so there needs to be some leeway. You get outliers from random countries as well, mostly African and smaller countries where you get a brilliant individuals from a rubbish national team - Weah and Liberia, Aubameyang - Gabon, Gareth McAuley and Northern Ireland ................

First one to call me out on Super G wins. Although his goal against Ukraine in the 2016 Euros was my happiest moment ever at a football match.

I think that a players Rating (9999) doesn't necessarily give a indication if the player is better I feel TS is a truer reflection of ability? 
However, there is many reasons why a player might be rated differently... Back to France again, Benzema hasn't played in nearly 6 years (Black mailing your team mates with a Sex video probably isn't best way to build team morale!) But Giroud has over 100 Caps, does that make Giroud better then Benzema who has won ample of trophies with Real Madrid and led the line for a decade? 

Also, if you look at the premier league table so far this season, it would indicate that West Ham have some of the best players in the league...  ( Sorry Any Hammers Fans haha ) 
Also Leeds are 11th.... sorry Ben   

 - top 5 shouldn't make a difference, look at Arsenal and Liverpool this season...

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

Dave has thrown the cat among the ...... normally pigeons but I'm going with clowns in our case.

Point 2 - this was the crux of our discussion. Can a regular for Sheffield United be compared to a regular for Man City? 

Top 5 team in a top league I agree with but I give you the case of France who have about 300 great CBs. Laporte is world class in my opinion BUT has no French caps and he'll be 27 in May so there needs to be some leeway. You get outliers from random countries as well, mostly African and smaller countries where you get a brilliant individuals from a rubbish national team - Weah and Liberia, Aubameyang - Gabon, Gareth McAuley and Northern Ireland ................




First one to call me out on Super G wins. Although his goal against Ukraine in the 2016 Euros was my happiest moment ever at a football match.

Woah, what you bringing my players into it for?

Was just gonna mention Auba's season...

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Phil@Watford wrote:

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

Dave has thrown the cat among the ...... normally pigeons but I'm going with clowns in our case.

Point 2 - this was the crux of our discussion. Can a regular for Sheffield United be compared to a regular for Man City? 

Top 5 team in a top league I agree with but I give you the case of France who have about 300 great CBs. Laporte is world class in my opinion BUT has no French caps and he'll be 27 in May so there needs to be some leeway. You get outliers from random countries as well, mostly African and smaller countries where you get a brilliant individuals from a rubbish national team - Weah and Liberia, Aubameyang - Gabon, Gareth McAuley and Northern Ireland ................

First one to call me out on Super G wins. Although his goal against Ukraine in the 2016 Euros was my happiest moment ever at a football match.

I think that a players Rating (9999) doesn't necessarily give a indication if the player is better I feel TS is a truer reflection of ability? 
However, there is many reasons why a player might be rated differently... Back to France again, Benzema hasn't played in nearly 6 years (Black mailing your team mates with a Sex video probably isn't best way to build team morale!) But Giroud has over 100 Caps, does that make Giroud better then Benzema who has won ample of trophies with Real Madrid and led the line for a decade? 

Also, if you look at the premier league table so far this season, it would indicate that West Ham have some of the best players in the league...  ( Sorry Any Hammers Fans haha ) 
Also Leeds are 11th.... sorry Ben   

 - top 5 shouldn't make a difference, look at Arsenal and Liverpool this season...

True this season should be a Bye and not included in stats...... haha 

Rob started this.... Northern Ireland just caused brexit issues so are irrelevant anyway lol

Ben@Plymouth wrote:

Dave@Villa wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

As i stated, no way is Bamford a 9999 , 9797 at best.....protests will ensue much like in America recently 

I'm going to join this conversation rather late, but I have two things that i want to say.
1. What about Ollie Watkins?
2. I think that there are way too many "World Class" (99 99) players in the game (Ooo controversial).
To be world class I believe a player should (in real life) be playing the majority of the games of his top five league team and be the first name on his country's team sheet (injuries and suspensions permitting) Discuss! 

For me, I think the issue with International teams is that there are only limited number of positions available and also relies on a player being suited for particular systems.

So a great example would be France where there are a huge amount of great CBs but only 2 positions - some of those would walk into other International sides...

I agree with this, hence the Ghost Caps are a great way to help boost a player who is often overlooked on the international stage

gary@chelsea wrote:

Rob started this.... Northern Ireland just caused brexit issues so are irrelevant anyway lol

'25M GWARD throwing shapes around like nobodies business 

Phil@Watford wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Rob started this.... Northern Ireland just caused brexit issues so are irrelevant anyway lol

'25M GWARD throwing shapes around like nobodies business 

Thought it was 40M GWARD now...

Impossible task to be honest, everyone's opinions are different, there are plenty of players we will never agree on.  Paul does his best to please everyone and his opinion is final, like it or not.

Like Phil says, the PTCR isn't the only thing that makes a good player in this game, far from it.

Tom@Charlton wrote:

Impossible task to be honest, everyone's opinions are different, there are plenty of players we will never agree on.  Paul does his best to please everyone and his opinion is final, like it or not.

Like Phil says, the PTCR isn't the only thing that makes a good player in this game, far from it.

All healthy debate and discussion tbh - all good from my point of view!

I’m not arsed really(apart from Bamford) all fun and games

gary@chelsea wrote:

Rob started this.... Northern Ireland just caused brexit issues so are irrelevant anyway lol

Harsh.

Rob@Barcelona wrote:

gary@chelsea wrote:

Rob started this.... Northern Ireland just caused brexit issues so are irrelevant anyway lol

Harsh.

The instigator returns to the scene of his crime 

I definitely opened a can of worms there 
good to hear all your views.