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Paul Hemmings wrote:
Tom@Charlton wrote:
Skills have gone a little wild by the looks of things, I've had quite a few players reduced in skills as well the other way.

sounds a bit strange - can you give me an example of skills that have gone down.

I'm not concerned about skills going up that happens alot when players get reviewed for some reason but they shouldnt go down.
Good example for me is lots of the players have had reduced skills or changes to WAWD etc from last week…

Haaland has gone from 180odd TS to 160 in a week as an example…
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Paul Hemmings wrote:
Tom@Charlton wrote:
Skills have gone a little wild by the looks of things, I've had quite a few players reduced in skills as well the other way.

sounds a bit strange - can you give me an example of skills that have gone down.

I'm not concerned about skills going up that happens alot when players get reviewed for some reason but they shouldnt go down.

Thanks Paul

No problem, just gone through Charlton and these have all gone down...

Ramsay -22 skills
Robertson -13
Tsimikas -11
Konate -1
Jones -5
Musah -6
Salah -4
Jota -5
Kane -13
Greenwood -9
Saka -14 
Raphinha -4


This is in the basic and exceptional skills.


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Also, on my player skills sheet the apprentice is listed as :

9999 APPRENTICE APP                 138/100  66 77 77 85 32 74 77 77 66 84   74 50 77 77 77 72 73 40 74 74 77   0  0  0  0  [138]
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Ben@Plymouth wrote:
Paul Hemmings wrote:
Tom@Charlton wrote:
Skills have gone a little wild by the looks of things, I've had quite a few players reduced in skills as well the other way.

sounds a bit strange - can you give me an example of skills that have gone down.

I'm not concerned about skills going up that happens alot when players get reviewed for some reason but they shouldnt go down.
Good example for me is lots of the players have had reduced skills or changes to WAWD etc from last week…

Haaland has gone from 180odd TS to 160 in a week as an example…

I'll have to check because my system is showing Haaland with 182 TS and 167 current skills...
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yeah you are right the PLAYER SKILLS REPORT is not showing the correct levels I will look at it tomorrow and get back to you, thanks for the feedback...
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Paul Hemmings wrote:
Ben@Plymouth wrote:
Paul Hemmings wrote:
Tom@Charlton wrote:
Skills have gone a little wild by the looks of things, I've had quite a few players reduced in skills as well the other way.

sounds a bit strange - can you give me an example of skills that have gone down.

I'm not concerned about skills going up that happens alot when players get reviewed for some reason but they shouldnt go down.
Good example for me is lots of the players have had reduced skills or changes to WAWD etc from last week…

Haaland has gone from 180odd TS to 160 in a week as an example…

I'll have to check because my system is showing Haaland with 182 TS and 167 current skills...
He's definitely showing 161 on mine - though a bit surprised he is now 167 as he was fully trained up last week at 182 so don't why he has dropped 13 ts?
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Paul Hemmings wrote:
yeah you are right the PLAYER SKILLS REPORT is not showing the correct levels I will look at it tomorrow and get back to you, thanks for the feedback...
Thanks Paul - if could check why Haaland has lost 15 or so TS please would also be good - I can't see a reason why as he wasn't injured at all and played in the game...

Also worth saying lots of changes to the WA and WD  from the week before to this week. 

Perieria is a good example who went from this:

sensibly      reluctantly   glory seeker  glory seeker  glory seeker  constantly    sensibly       

to 

reluctantly   reluctantly   reluctantly   reluctantly   hardly ever   staunchly     constantly   


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From what i can see;

Most Defenders dropped skills in SH/VO
1215 JOAO CANCELO                   178/161  99 99 99 99 99 99 88 77 55 99   99 98 99 99 99 54 99 94 94 99 94  17  5  1  0  [185]  FT/NEED=17
1215 JOAO CANCELO                   184/155  99 99 99 99 95 99 99 97 94 97  99 88 99 99 99 84 99 64 94 99 94

Midfielders seem to have dropped LP. 
5138 JAMES MADDISON                 179/176  86 99 99 99 55 99 99 99 88 99   98 88 99 99 99 99 99 66 99 99 99  30  8  9  0  [189]  
5138 JAMES MADDISON                 184/177  85 99 99 99 85 99 98 99 99 99  88 88 99 99 99 99 99 88 99 99 99

Attackers seem to have drop LP/TA/CG/DR/LD/VI/TK

6801 TAMMY ABRAHAM                  168/168  99 99 88 99 55 55 99 99 99 99   77 77 99 99 99 77 77 55 99 99 99  12  2 18  2  [178]  FT/NEED=0
6801 TAMMY ABRAHAM                  179/179  99 99 99 99 66 66 99 99 99 99  99 88 99 99 99 88 88 88 99 99 99

Most notable would be Neymar for myself.

1379 NEYMAR SANTOS                  175/175  99 99 99 99 55 55 99 99 99 99   77 99 99 99 99 55 99 99 99 99 99  50  0  0  0  [190]  FT/NEED=0
1379 NEYMAR SANTOS                  186/186  99 99 99 99 88 88 99 99 99 99  99 99 99 99 99 88 99 99 99 99 99
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Phil@Watford wrote:
From what i can see;

Most Defenders dropped skills in SH/VO
1215 JOAO CANCELO                   178/161  99 99 99 99 99 99 88 77 55 99   99 98 99 99 99 54 99 94 94 99 94  17  5  1  0  [185]  FT/NEED=17
1215 JOAO CANCELO                   184/155  99 99 99 99 95 99 99 97 94 97  99 88 99 99 99 84 99 64 94 99 94

Midfielders seem to have dropped LP. 
5138 JAMES MADDISON                 179/176  86 99 99 99 55 99 99 99 88 99   98 88 99 99 99 99 99 66 99 99 99  30  8  9  0  [189]  
5138 JAMES MADDISON                 184/177  85 99 99 99 85 99 98 99 99 99  88 88 99 99 99 99 99 88 99 99 99

Attackers seem to have drop LP/TA/CG/DR/LD/VI/TK

6801 TAMMY ABRAHAM                  168/168  99 99 88 99 55 55 99 99 99 99   77 77 99 99 99 77 77 55 99 99 99  12  2 18  2  [178]  FT/NEED=0
6801 TAMMY ABRAHAM                  179/179  99 99 99 99 66 66 99 99 99 99  99 88 99 99 99 88 88 88 99 99 99

Most notable would be Neymar for myself.

1379 NEYMAR SANTOS                  175/175  99 99 99 99 55 55 99 99 99 99   77 99 99 99 99 55 99 99 99 99 99  50  0  0  0  [190]  FT/NEED=0
1379 NEYMAR SANTOS                  186/186  99 99 99 99 88 88 99 99 99 99  99 99 99 99 99 88 99 99 99 99 99
What about your WD/WA for players?
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Paul Hemmings wrote:
Tom@Charlton wrote:
Skills have gone a little wild by the looks of things, I've had quite a few players reduced in skills as well the other way.

sounds a bit strange - can you give me an example of skills that have gone down.

I'm not concerned about skills going up that happens alot when players get reviewed for some reason but they shouldnt go down.
Hi Paul,
The ones below are just examples but they have all dropped skills this week. I'm also seeing the same as the others on willingness to attack etc.

4066 FEDERICO VALVERDE  179/165  87 98 99 99 55 99 96 99 87 99   97 87 99 98 98 97 98 66 99 99 99   
4907 WILFRED NDIDI    173/173  66 88 88 99 99 99 99 88 66 99   88 77 99 99 88 99 99 66 99 99 99  
5799 FABIAN RUIZ     177/177  77 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 55 99   99 77 99 99 99 99 99 55 99 99 99  
8046 ANSU FATI  177/168  99 99 99 99 99 55 77 99 88 99   99 99 99 99 88 55 99 99 94 99 95  
8762 YEREMI PINO     177/157  99 99 99 99 99 52 75 99 88 99   99 99 99 92 88 55 99 99 95 99 95  
9075 VICTOR OSIMHEN  158/149  99 99 66 99 44 44 99 99 88 99   66 66 99 99 99 66 66 44 94 95 99  


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1215 JOAO CANCELO                   reluctantly   reluctantly   reluctantly   reluctantly   hardly ever   staunchly     constantly     YF 27/05/1994 RT   (Current)
1215 JOAO CANCELO                   greedily      greedily      always        always        constantly    staunchly     constantly     YF 27/05/1994 RT   (Previously)

Again would appear Defenders/Fullbacks have had there WS/WA reduced.
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I've had a quick look and it seems there is some corruption on the skills database and as a result some players have lost skill levels during this weeks training sessions. Tomorrow I will delete the corrupted file and then restore all players to end of week 4 skill levels and then rerun this weeks training routines and then let you know...
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Paul Hemmings wrote:
I've had a quick look and it seems there is some corruption on the skills database and as a result some players have lost skill levels during this weeks training sessions. Tomorrow I will delete the corrupted file and then restore all players to end of week 4 skill levels and then rerun this weeks training routines and then let you know...
Could this have had an impact on this weeks games? Also with the willingness to attack/defend etc changing? Or does this all run after the games have been played?
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Hi Paul,
Yes, similar problems here.
Real mixture of TS going down - eg Mpappe was 187 but now has a max of 174.
Pretty much every team member affected at Schalke.
Apprentices are mostly 7s, explaining why my Yths lost to a team full of them!
I see that GKs have an extra skill of 'AN', 'Experience Skills', and in Notes, several entries of 'FT/NEED=nn' - not sure what they all mean though.
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Pretty much same as above for me as well.

Randomly my Ecuador side played Cornwall Council in 3 friendlies as well.
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Rob@Barcelona wrote:
Paul Hemmings wrote:
I've had a quick look and it seems there is some corruption on the skills database and as a result some players have lost skill levels during this weeks training sessions. Tomorrow I will delete the corrupted file and then restore all players to end of week 4 skill levels and then rerun this weeks training routines and then let you know...
Could this have had an impact on this weeks games? Also with the willingness to attack/defend etc changing? Or does this all run after the games have been played?

Was wondering this as well, training comes before the games doesn't it? There were certainly a few strange results this week?  

My games were pretty dominant but just couldn't score, obviously can happen but seems strange that it happened quite a few times in one week?
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i am pretty sure the training for this week games happened last turn.
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gary@chelsea wrote:
i am pretty sure the training for this week games happened last turn.
I know coaching takes place at the end of the week but depends on whether there were changes to the WA/WD or TS which took place before the games or after - Paul will be able to confirm?
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Thanks for the feedback guys. 

The Player Skills file has become partially unlinked to the main file meaning that players profiles ( incl skills, trademarks and willingness ) are no longer linked properly, which is why we are seeing strange values on the reports.

Training occurs at the end of the week and this 'disconnect' happened during Coaching after the games were run so this didnt effect any of the games.

Today I will delete the skills file restore week 4 and rerun the coaching and then the turns will be ready to resend.

However there is a wrinkle because the trademark file may have been corrupted during the Reset at the beginning of the week and this would have affected games. 

Seems only fair we have a discussion on how you as a group would like to proceed ?
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Hi Paul,
This makes sense on the training. On the games I had 46 chances, 34 on target and only 1 goal across 4 teams. That feels like something off or just bad luck not sure what to make of it.

Just numerically on this, it's a 2.94% shot on target to goal ratio. Just following the maths through that means for all 4 teams to score a goal it'd take just over 136 shots on target?


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I think what you've suggested above makes sense though.
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Thanks for that Paul, makes sense.  Appreciate you looking into it.

I had similar stats to Rob in my games, which did seem a little off.

Appreciate it now becomes a difficult situation to resolve.  Is it possible to rerun the whole week?  Is this an option?   Difficult as those who won I'm sure wouldn't want this to happen!

I had a shocker really so all for a rerun if that is on the table?   lol!


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Paul Hemmings wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys. 

The Player Skills file has become partially unlinked to the main file meaning that players profiles ( incl skills, trademarks and willingness ) are no longer linked properly, which is why we are seeing strange values on the reports.

Training occurs at the end of the week and this 'disconnect' happened during Coaching after the games were run so this didnt effect any of the games.

Today I will delete the skills file restore week 4 and rerun the coaching and then the turns will be ready to resend.

However there is a wrinkle because the trademark file may have been corrupted during the Reset at the beginning of the week and this would have affected games. 

Seems only fair we have a discussion on how you as a group would like to proceed ?

I'll be guided by you Paul and whatever anyone else wants to do here - is it easy to re-run the games for those impacted in terms of your time?

Suspect a re-run might be a good plan if it has impacted the games - but will depend on whether its easy to do for you and the time implications...

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If confirmed that the reset affected the WA/WD then probably fair to re run the games… as long as I win again 😂
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These are the games involving your sides that were hugely affected by the corruption and I am going to rerun for sure, they all show obvious mathematical anomalies with their chances:goals ratio :-

Wednesday 0-0 Charlton 1:11 
Nice 0-0 Nantes 1:14
Celta 0-0 Barcelona 0:10
Penarol 0-1 Nacional 0:14
Hamburg 1-0 Hannover 1:14
Bastia 0-0 Rennais 0:8

The other games involving your other sides are certainly less affected and do not show any great anomalies so I'm going to assume these games were not affected.

Chelsea 3-2 Arsenal 11:11
Leicester 2-2 Plymouth 6:5
Watford 4-1 Banstead 9:5
Flu 2-1 Cruzeiro 9:7
Botafogo 3-0 Criciuma 10:1
Sevilla 1-5 Real Madrid 4:7
Braga 0-0 Benfica 5:9
Argentinos 1-1 Independente 6:8
Rotterdam 1-3 Twente 4:14
Bate 1-0 Torpedo Minsk 6:2
Atletico 2-0 Sociedad 11:4

This game could be rerun if both managers agree

Wolfsburg 1-2 Schalke 8:2

This is still open for discussion though...


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Seems fair Paul, thanks for that.  

The Wolfsburg one was a strange one, not an unusual result on the face of it but the chances again are weighted in my favour so it's harder to tell if it was affected.  

I'd obviously prefer it to be rerun but I guess it's more Andy's decision?
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